Yep Helprejected
That's why you need legal counsel.
Someone who knows ALL the laws and how to protect YOU.

Do you know anybody in her immediate family that you could talk to?
Do they know how much you have been trying to help her?
I'm sure they know and have experienced her terrible abuse and heard all her excuses.

Anyways...
An attorney will be able to help you and how to protect yourself from any false accusations.

Her hoarding is negatively impacting so many innocent people's lives and it's not fair.

Best wishes (((HUG)))

Hello Tillie

Thanks for the advice. I've talked to several people already. Others involved in the sale of the house said don't go legal yet although I told them we'll need an attorney to legally take the stuff out of the house and put it storage for her in her name. Also we'll probably have to get a no liability clause of somekind put in a document because one of my fears has always been her making a stink over broken items(many already broken/were in need of repair or parts)

She's also being a drama queen saying she was close to dying and might not make it through the night. But again she doesn't want to hear go to a doctor and refuses to use local ambulance services since she blame 911 for getting citing for hoarding. She's done this before.

At the sametime she says if she dies she wants me to call her family about her stuff. But doesn't want them contacted now. She wants attention because she's brought up suicide and dying numerous times before and always heard ignore idle suicide talk because it's probably manipulation.

She and family had disputes before including months of no contact but is now blaming them but they said she was the one who never wanted to see them. But that goes back to not taking responsibility for her hoard, it's always somebody else's fault.

One of things that goads me is that she wants us to call to get her stuff out. She's the one who should be taking that initiative to get HER stuff out. She again slipped in the comment well I didn't access to her stuff in somebody else's house as in she couldn't go over as she pleased. She's just free loading at this point delaying having to pay storage with excuses and rationalizations.

I was thinking about contacting an agency but they said not being direct family or care taker I don't have any stake and it could open the door to accusations being investigated with conflicting stories.

Dear Helprejected (((((HUGS)))))

You did your best and your best was so much more than most would.

She will never change.
Many never change without being forced by the authorities taking action.

Get yourself an attorney.
Call "adult protective services".
Report the situation to any agencies necessary.

You are not giving up on her, she never gave you a chance.
This situation needs to be resolved. The house needs to be readied for sale and it's not fair she is preventing others from living their own lives with her stuff there.

She has been bullying you and you are too kind.
((((HUGS))))

Another and probably last BOOM I have to endure in which this one was accompanied by accusations that I made them fear for their safety during a trip to their place which I never made.

Called them on the phone about 2 1/2 weeks after a phone call that escalated to a debate/argument where we both hung up around the same time. I called to tell her we're putting up a for-sale sign for the home where her stuff is. First got a diatribe about their health which they never doing anything about, then accusations about a conversation and place that never took occured then lies or misconceptions about new storage she has or doesn't have. She said she told me she had a unit weeks ago yet did not pay for it, sign a lease nor can she give me a unit number and property manager cannot be contacted. Also said she befriended the property manager/agent and they might help taking the stuff out of our house. She also said why bother to call her because her health prevents from doing anything. Told her worse case I'd get the stuff into a storage unit and pay for one month then she barked I thought you would help me get stuff into HER storage unit. And she would not hang up or allow the conversation to end. She dragged on and on after I told her several times I have to go.

I think it's lawyer time. And someone has to send her to a psych ward.

Yes...
When I have been moving and pack up all my things as carefully as I can some times things get broken and they were only packed up for a week at the most.
I would never expect my things to survive intact if packed up for decades and the boxed stacked off to the side somewhere.

I love that! Selling the house "as is" with her stuff still stored there!
I once told some people to go ahead and move leaving their teenage son there.
He was 18 and his bedroom was a big stinky mess.
LOL ;D

Right, while they are all fired up and ranting away it's impossible to talk to them until the rant is spent.
Once they run out of gas you can state a few simple facts that they have to angry response for.

Good Day Tillie

Their fault and a nasty tirade. Yup. Here an angry lecture putting every word up challenge and debate.

My worry here is that alot of stuff has been sitting around for the better part of 20 years so if something is broken sometimes I think she'll try suing among other things. I'm not going to have any of that but it could slow the process even more. But we will suffer the blame game, not the packer or person who chose to accept any available space even if a garage for which she still doesn't understand why her stuff isn't front and center for her to look at.

To scare her I'm thinking about threating to give the contents of the house to the new owner when sold if the buyer would agree to help her get storage and transport it.

Sometimes I find it best to let the person finish their tirade and only challenge with direct simple fact for which they can't counter. Sometimes just challenging them with a no win point can shut them down. This is why I think she has IED(intermittent explosive disorder)because the criteria includes extra energy which is the tirade,tantrum.

Good Morning Helprejected 🙂

She is very good at making herself the poor helpless victim of her own circumstances.

I wonder how much of her clutter contains items made with plastic?
Or particle/composite wood that are made with chemicals like formaldehyde?
And she is worried about storage bins being toxic.
LOL

Just like here
It's not his fault, it's my fault, it's because of things that happened decades ago.
He just sits there, the poor helpless victim unable to do anything because it's not his fault.
When in reality it's all his fault.
But you can't tell him that unless you are ready to listen to his nasty tirade.

For you, her convoluted logic and lack of urgency
is going to get her home condemned, her storage items lost and her independence taken away.
She will lose everything and it's a shame because she could have a good safe life so easily if she would just allow you to help her.

Hello again.

You spelled the issues with cardboard perfectly. With her it's the piles of little stuff including mail that keeps on tumbling down. She's at the point just finding mail is a project. She has several consumer issues she can't find the paperwork/receipts for yet still complains.

The bad room has cardboard boxes and stuff stacked chest high. Can barely see the top shelf of the closet nor can she get the closet door shut. This is the room she blames the movers for leaving boxes as-is well over 10 years ago. She literally doesn't know what's there. I had to show her a picture, I took a cell picture with arms above my head to get it.

But the plastic she says simply not her style(piles are?)and can not bring herself to do it. She also likes to say plastics cause cancer. I try to tell her current conditions are going to cause her trouble before some extra plastic containers will make her sick. Then you get the gratuitous statement the stuff has to get out of there anyway(when?) But it's that 'she's above the fray' or snobbishness that makes her difficult to deal with on other issues and topics as well.

Convoluted logic and lack of urgency will get one no where fast.

Hi 🙂

They both are great examples of how a little bit of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing.
LOL 😀

Keeping clear paths to doors and windows is so important.
Reducing combustible materials to a minimum is so important.
Clear paths to make it easy to escape the house if there is a fire and less fuel for the fire to burn.
This is not just for the occupant but also for the emergency responders.
This is why she would be cited, she is a danger to herself and others.

Plastic storage containers is not "décor"!!!
They are a storage solution, never meant to be considered a part of the home décor.
This has me laughing......
This argument of her's is hilarious.

Hideous insects, rodents and mold & mildew love cardboard boxes.
Not only are cardboard boxes a fire hazard but they contribute to bad air quality from the bugs, rodents, molds and other allergens.

Also cardboard boxes tend to collapse over time when stacked.
They topple over and crush people and clog up the pathways.
Many a hoarder has been killed this way.
Most times it's a slow agonizing death too as they lay there hidden under the clutter dyeing of thirst and their injuries.

Cardboard boxes in the home should never be stacked higher than thigh high to prevent this kind of tragedy.

But I guess she has an argument for why she needs to keep her boxes and stack them up high.

Steven has boxes & bins & assorted random stuff stacked 7 feet high and they are always tumbling over blocking the narrow paths between them.
That's out in the garage where he sort of lives since I don't allow him to drink alcohol or smoke in the house or clutter up the place like that.
It's a large garage, could hold 4 vehicles if it was not hoarded up with "stuff".

Tillie, sounds like 2 peas in a pod.

She pretends to know all about various conditions yet her health is has been poor. And she is out of date or oblivious to many a term or topic. I guess that volunteer social work in a hospital 50 years ago wasn't as comprehensive as she thinks it was.

One of my beefs she constantly talks about her health unsolicited and does nothing about it but will proceed to lecture you to pretend she's got it all under control since she has some knowledge on the subject.

The scary part is she was constantly lecturing a now deceased senior family member what to do. Part of their issues was being over medicated but they would run to the doctor ask about stuff they just go lectured on by her.

She gets overwhelmed and doesn't want to do anything, not even keep clean paths to the windows. 'It doesn't matter I haven't done this and that yet". Yet if she kept and they see clean paths to the windows unannounced I doubt they'd cite her again or as much. And those other things including too many cardboard boxes for which I offered to go buy any size plastic storage container she said no, plastic is an interior decor no no, that's not her style. I told the point is to get officials off your back and out of your life. Her priorities are so screwed up.

In the meantime her plan to sell everything with-in 6 months to a year gets top priority-not one trip to the consignment shop this year. This is the broken record statement that could break the camels back because I'm tired of listening to the same plans she hasn't acted on yet. At this point I too am hoping for an inspection fail because she is not independent. As much as I hate the government telling one what to do the amount of time and effort it takes to enable her exceeds a government intervention.

Thanks for the vent. You are not alone in this game. Continue to help and warn others.

Hello Helprejected 🙂

It's evidently quite easy to fall asleep in a desk chair in front of your computer when you drink an excess of alcohol and chain smoke cigarettes.
Another thing that he is not supposed to do due to his health conditions.

Then he is angry at me when I don't really care about his health problems.
Why should I care when he obviously doesn't?

He plays fast & free with taking prescribed medications thinking he knows better than the doctors and pharmacists.
Then I am left to give emergency measures when he crashes or had TIAs (mini strokes).

He aggressively will argue with medical personnel when they try to educate him about his conditions.
He makes the doctors extremely angry.
He also lies to them an awful LOT.

Honestly I hope your person does have another inspection.
It is needed since she has not allowed much to be done there.
Maybe that is what's needed to light a fire under her to get her to allow you to help there.
She needs to see that she can not continue on the way she has been.
She will lose all her possessions, her independence and possibly her own life.

Hello Tillie

Sorry to hear your situation is still similar to here. Sleeps overnight in a chair? I can nap in a chair but overnight?

Here she says she likes to work off of her bed but that means she's constantly doing stuff on off to side. This with an existing bad back. She does many other damaging things. But she also frequently complains about back pain then gets upset when suggested she see a doctor let alone go into a home. She needs daily assistance, not part-time. Also for someone who says many a room or pile is not her fault because she can't move anything she seems to have no problem getting items, bags, boxes to/near her bed.

I don't even want to get into her choice of medical plans which is costing her some free home care because of her conditions that need regular monitoring/attention. So when a person goes over to help time is devoured because she falls behind on so many daily tasks that time is lost working on her hoard-it's still there a year later.

Should note she's worried about another inspection since she's at the year mark since citation. But she has learned or prepared for nothing like getting a lawyer she could call right away because one day they are going to condemn her place and put her in a home. She won't even consider/shop alternative locations ie no apartment or house shopping that should could go into just in case.By trying to save it all she will wind up losing it all.

Hi Helprejected 🙂

I'm sure that if she was arguing with the authorities that's the reason for the citation.
Those people will so often bend over backwards to help people who are trying to comply.

Last thing they want to do is fine people and only do it when faced with a non-budging brick wall.

That's very sad that she believes she knows more than professionals and is damaging her own health doing things her own uneducated way.

I see that kind of behavior here every day.
I try to correct him but he raises his voice to drown me out.
I have a medical background and use this knowledge to try to keep him healthy, to no avail.
Then he blames me when he has a new health issue that I was trying to prevent him getting.
Like a blood clot in the artery of his leg after I kept telling him that always sleeping all night in the desk chair will cause blood clots in the legs.
He needed surgery and he blamed it all on me.
So insane.....

Hello and thanks Tillie.

You get her and the situation so well. Funny you mentioned 'combative'.

She got upset that some doctors and nurses considered her non compliant and put that in her records. We had to take to an urgent car one day and was really fussy about the instructions they gave her since she has a disability. Staff as in multiple people said they would not allow her to fall. She didn't believe them. She might know what personal techniques work for her but professionals have techniques too. She fails miserably to realize how she comes off to other people. She is oblivious to so much and she considers herself the smart one and/or victim. She doesn't know it all.

I'm sure part of the reason she got cited with the hoard was her combativeness as well. She always tries to tell others this is how it has to be done. She tried doing that with 911 services and argued with code enforcement.

Also should note alot of her personal tricks/techniques have contributed to health decline because they include improper technique, repetitive motion and are known to risk injury etc.

Hi Helprejected 🙂

So sorry she is so argumentative and ready to turn any conversation into a confrontation.

She does not want to move her stuff and she won't allow anybody else to move it for her.
She likes the way things are right now and refuses to give up any control.

With Winter coming on now it may be too cold and wet to do things easily.

I think the only way you will ever make any real progress is when the authorities/property owners are involved with legal consequences for her.

This is such an unfortunate and sad situation.
Here you are willing and able to help but not allowed to.

Hang in there, don't let this disturb your "real" life.
Enjoy the Autumn season. Get out and see the trees change color. 🙂

Correction last paragraph. ...still does NOT account for her lack of progess...

Another BOOM. What started out as casual conversation turned into yet another BOOM. I should know better that is extremely easy for her to get off track or misinterpret things by now.

What started out as what would be an inane comment to most turned into an insult simply for questioning or inquiring why she did something a certain way. She took it as admonishment. This time in particular she went out of her way to get the last word and trying to force the narrative of she was right and I was wrong. I tried backing out, down and away several times to no avail. But wasn't going to be lectured. Then when trying to give her examples of various things she focuses in on the examples with tunnel vision turning them into yet another debate and literally forgets where the conversation started or why the topic of discussion went where it did. Then she claims I wasted her time yet it is not unusual for her to talk an hour and half on what was supposed to be informational update type call-it was 25 minutes today.

She still hasn't committed to a storage unit to get her stuff out of the house. She is so paranoid after she was told she got a break on existing unpaid storage units she is now attempting to run into staff-not management by luck to ensure she indeed was cut a break and it is on the record. So rather than just other management or fess up and pay for what were free units she wasting physical and mental time on getting free storage.

The really frustrating things she complains about the physical/logistical nature of the removing her stuff I told her just rent a unit somewhere over the phone and I would rent the truck and move it in for her. Nope she wants hands in on all parts of the process yet she knows her health won't allow or hinders it. She wants certain boxes on shelves, marked a certain way and/or presort everything days in advance. She's known since early winter she'd have to move her stuff and told in late spring it's time to remove it. Well I just want to do this or that before. She acts like she was given a few days notice.

Don't want to read too much into it but I also noticed she gets easily distracted setting aside conversation which is why it takes so long to do many things. Still does account for her progress or efforts over the decades of losing control of her stuff.

Hello Helprejected

Such words of wisdom.
Giving space to a hoarder is akin to giving money to a person with alcoholism or drug addiction.

I really want the people who's house she has stuff stored to take action and get on with their own lives.
From what you have written they have gone far above helping and don't owe her anything.
Plus they want to clean and paint to list the house for sale.
They have a right to do this.

Wishing them and you all the best (((hug)))

Hello Tillie

You get that she is fighting getting rid of stuff. You've also noted how affects living with hoard as well including affecting domestic chores. She has had the stuff in that house well over a DECADE. The people in that house had to start living around her stuff with one having to rent storage for things. She still doesn't get that her stuff had low priority and had to placed out of the way with stuff in front or on top of it. Even then several rooms in that house were/are much tighter/crowded than they had to be.

Her stuff is impeding selling the home because of the volume AND poor access to various areas to paint, repair, clean etc. She blames poor interest on lack of a new paint job(a dig and deflection of her stuff) yet it's her stuff that makes doing anything in that home that requires space or the shifting/moving of things a major project. Her stuff has affected others with more than time and labor, it's affecting how others live/lived. The person who let her store there has since passed but even they had to start putting stuff away in a unorganized manner because just finding or making space was a chore. The garage and other rooms have been unuseable since her stuff was placed there.

I mentioned it before but she even ticked off a business owner when they asked to get her stuff out after they let her store it a year and was supposed to have gotten it out with in a month or two. Her ignorance is astounding. Some is selfishness and other is just being oblivious to the consequences of their actions.

If one ever decides to help a hoarder do with labor only. Never offer space to a hoarder because space is like money to an alcoholic who is desperately looking how to pay for that next drink. Repeat never offer space to a hoarder no matter inconsequential or temporary it seems.

Hello Helprejected 🙂

WOW! sounds like even casual conversations is fuel for a tirade.
Best not to talk about much of anything to avoid a tongue lashing.

Looks like she is digging real deep to make up excuses not to declutter or move stuff to storage.
I honestly do not think you will be able to help since she is so unwilling to do anything.

It's sad to just stand by and watch as she keeps backing herself up into a corner knowing what she is losing in the end.

Please don't stand there when she starts a loud vile tirade.
Simply walk away.
No reason for you to have to stay there and listen to that.
And please do not take anything said to heart, it's not who you really are. (((HUG)))

BOOM, she goes off again during a discussion that involved current events and some politics. Her ignorance of current events is astounding. And just days after vowing not to use profanity ever again saying that's not her(LOL) she goes off on a several minute vile/loud tirade. Says she will apologize only if I prove it to her. She absolutely showed/shows all the signs of IED(intermittent explosive disorder)again

Long story short she brought up that a foreign friend of hers is traveling and told her be careful what you talk about when they are in another country. I casually mentioned you have to be careful when making an international phone call because of the domestic spying/monitoring. She claims to never heard of the Edward Snowden, wiki leaks revelations,the NSA etc and says people who talk like that are going to some obscure conspiracy website(insult) and demands like a child a 'Prove It!. I then get several uninterrupted minutes of loud and vile righteous indignation.

When I don't agree with her of an issue she demands the subject be dropped. That's her way of admitting she can't convince someone and can hear the frustration in her voice.

Then when talking about the subject of moving her stuff out of the house she demands we go to her storage unit a day before and set up shelving. I told her it's snap together shelving that can be set up in minutes upon arrival to the storage unit with her stuff. Then complains(still hasn't rented a new unit)about the entrance and layout of the units. Also complains about the price of truck rental and wants to find cheap cheap cheap. The prices and suggestions I gave are cheap and par for the course in this area. It's just one excuse after another.

And that friend I mentioned earlier became an excuse not work on her stuff/storage for days claiming she had to help her prepare for their trip. Says she was on stand by to drive them.

Hi Helprejected 🙂

Are you familiar with what storage unit companies do when someone does not pay their bill for only three months?

They are legally able to declare the contents abandoned.
Then they will legally auction off all the contents of the unit to the highest bidder.

Once the auction has taken place all the storage unit items now belong to the new owner and no longer belong to the original owner.

This is legal and binding.

So, after the 30 days are up for her to vacate the unit they will most likely put their lock on the storage unit so she will not be able to get back in it.

She and or an agent of her's will probably not be allowed to bid on the storage unit.
That's because people think they can get their stuff back at auction and avoid all the back rent they did not pay.
But that's not allowed.

Storage companies have these auctions to try to recoup some of the money they are due and at the same time get the unit emptied out so they can rent it to a paying customer.

I say let her drag her feet until that deadline passes her by.
She does not need anything in there, it's nothing important to her or she wouldn't have it stored away for years.

In other words, please don't you worry or fret about the contents of that storage unit.
Maybe when/if she loses that stuff she will get serious about letting you help so she doesn't lose everything else.
Her home and freedoms and independence and probably whatever is left of her health.

Are you ready for Autumn Helprejected?
Do you have any last warm weather picnics, get-a-ways, camping out plans?

Another deadline. The 'free' storage she's been getting is about to end. Apparently new management audited/checked all storage units and wants all unpaid for units cleaned out in 30 days. She's actually contemplating paying on top of her paid storage units. Yet complains storage costs are cutting into her nursing home money. She was surprisingly calm about it. She's wants to talk to staff that knows her to talk to management for her. She says if she talks to the manager/asks for a break she'll be backed billed although the memo reads like a get of jail free card.

And she still has to get stuff out the house in the same time period. Told just her just get on large unit. She refuses, it's like she waiting for people to give her a break.

Good Morning Helprejected

It would be good if everybody all got together and confronted her about the serious issues.
Intervention style.

She would absolutely hate that but maybe, just maybe she would get a hint that maybe you're right.
That maybe she needs to seriously address these problems.

So many people who have hoarded for decades finally face the facts as they begin to age.
The older you get the harder it is to manage living in a hoarded house.
The older you get it starts to become impossible to even imagine being able to unclutter and get the home to where you are able to continue living there.
Older hoarders begin to panic when they finally realize they are going to end up in the poor house nursing home instead of comfortably and independently in their own house.

Do you have a Roku device?
On Tubi they have free episodes of "HOARDERS".
Watching the episodes you see what motivates the people to clean out.
Mostly it's because they are getting too old to continue on the way they are.
The family gets to express their feelings.
The counselor helps them through the emotionally hard parts.
Then after the house is made livable again, if the hoarder does not get counseling they will just fill the place up again.
This is such a confusing, frustrating and difficult psychological problem to try to understand.

You got it right AGAIN Tillie

-She's been doing it a long time-

Funny as long as I have been going over there her spare bedroom and primary bedrooms were always tightly closed/locked as to prevent others from taking so much as a peak. Yet she likes to blame her hoard on falling 2 years ago. But she has always had health issues and been offered help. And everyone knew about her using others homes for storage(she got miffed that others were being told about her 'stuff')

I was there when her own family member told her last chance for help to clean her home up.(They were there for a week for a death in the family) so she was helped out for a few days but she did the samething then, lectured, went on diatribes and turned everything into a debate. The scary part is it looked like they were used to it. They went nose to nose on more than one occasion. They had zero problem calling her out. But that's the problem if family that only visits occasionally are the only ones challenging her she goes unchallenged 95% of the time which means bad habits/behaviors are reinforced.

Setting aside what went on early in her life just the last few decades being cut slack simply for being a gray haired senior woman with a disability has helped reinforce her behavior because of all the slack she's been given.

She's in brand new territory now between social services, the government and friends who want her stuff out. She fooled all the people all the time now she fooling no one.

Hi Helprejected 🙂

Yes, as you well know
it is very frustrating and most people do give up after trying to help year after year.

She is a real tough cookie there.
She's also been doing this a long time and knows how to make people go away and leave her & her hoard alone.

She can try to deny it but deep down she does know it's impossible to do what she wants to do with all her stuff.
But she just isn't willing to let it go.

Take care of yourself.
Don't bring these worries home with you.

Hello Tillie

Thanks for the information on getting on a hoarder show. It makes sense and wouldn't work here-yet. Even distant family told her last visit they would only come to visit-not clean(they gave one last chance to use their efforts last visit).

To top it off when she was admitted to the hospital when cited for hoarding she keeps on saying they consider her 'one of the those people who has too many things, what do you call them again?' Talk about denial, she'll never to do a hoarder show regardless of what free services they offer.

Moving his stuff out of the way. She got similarly touchy once she realized her stuff was being moved or shifted around in the other's home. Not only did she fail to realize that her boxes impeded daily life there but got very accusatory at first-You didn't touch or use it did you? It better not be broken. Make sure no one steals it.

My guess is now in particular she is being forced to make decisions not only about money/storage but what exactly in detail is she going to do with all her stuff. I think the reality of the logistics of reducing her hoard is just starting to set in. She's also now being called or confronted by people other than her family. They had frequent arguments in front of the others and was kind of surprised when she started treating others similarly. I think the family knew about her issues and hoarding years ago.

I guess the best way to describe the situation from the outside is the repetitive behavior and no progress.

Hi Helprejected 🙂

To make a "HOARDERS" TV show there is a bit of criteria that needs to be met.

First the person who hoards must agree to be filmed doing a clean out of their stuff.
Second there must be family and or close long time friends there.
Third is there needs to be a looming deadline like code enforcement, CPS/APS, etc.
There are some other things too but those three are important.

The family and friends are there to show how important support is.
The deadline is most times the only motivation the hoarder has to do the clean out otherwise they won't agree to it.

Your hoarder will never remove her stuff from your home without being forced to.
There will ALWAYS be excuses and reasons they can't do it.
Like I said before, tell her the time and date when all her stuff will be out on the driveway and that she has 24 hours to come get it.
After that the stuff will be disposed of at your discretion.

Here, Steven would not move his clutter out of the living areas of this house no matter how many times I asked him to.
Finally I boxed and bagged it and put it in the garage, carport and his bedroom.
That was the ONLY way all that stuff was ever going to get moved out.

Took me a very long time to declutter my home and he behaved terribly but what choice did I have?

Hello Tillie

You described her when talking about your hoarder. They only hear what they want to hear. They wind up coming off as rude or abrasive. And they are paranoid about their stuff being taken.

I had to tell her she has so much stuff that her piles and storage units would have to be unpacked or undone just to see what's there. Thieves won't take the time for that.

She just keeps trying to reinforce her narrative even unsolicited-it's her health, she has plans to sell it with the year and it's not her fault in numerous ways.

She also keeps making gratuitous, useless offers to come over a go through her stuff yet she's been told a million times give us notice and we'll move the stuff in front of or on top of her stuff. Nor does she have a key to house or could she lift the garage door. Yet she cries she didn't have access to her stuff over the years. She won't admit it but is mad things changed from when it was put in the house years ago and her stuff didn't get priority when stored. In other words she wanted us to move her stuff to get our stuff every time we used something. But she was only coming over maybe once a year and those visits had other purposes not just her stuff.

I just want her stuff out. A hoarding free is something completely different. It's tough in your case because of the scope of his hoard. I don't know is it worth a tv show type intervention complete with a clean out and counseling. I've often thought about it here. If they could do it without cameras I'd think about.

Hang in there

Hi Helprejected. 🙂

Sincerely wish that I could scrap all those vehicles here.
But, they are not mine.

Rule number one is not to get rid of a hoarder's stuff without their consent.
That's really the rule for anybody's stuff.
I'd be real pizzed if someone just tossed my possessions.
Speaking of that, he has tossed a lot of my things without my knowledge because he was making room for more of his stuff.
And I also believe to hurt me. >:(

That case of XMas snow is at least 10 years old so those spray cans probably don't even work any more.
He has LOTS of other hoards of stuff like that, so old it is now useless, dried up, gone bad.

He would never be able to sell at a show/convention because his personality is just too repulsive.
He interrupts and yells over people thinking that makes him right in any discussion.
He says mean & rude things thinking he is being clever.
He hears what he wants to hear and never hears the truth.

He lives all alone in his own tiny world.

He is also paranoid that people covet and want to steal all his stuff.
He has put up video cameras.
The cameras do not record anything.
You have to be on a site online in order to see what's going on.
He once gave my the online site address but I refuse to waste my time watching his hoard.
I wish, wish, really wish a crazy person would come by and steal it all. ;D